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Date: Friday, 24 May 2013 15:55

 Knowing that theology and translation from another language are both tricky..and especially sticky together..

I am not sure the pope is really preaching

1)universalism

2)salvation by good works

 ..at least as most would interpret these concepts.

Take a careful look at video and articles (the first two have quite misleading headlines)

Pope Francis defends atheists

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Later edit:

Since this post above was published, a fantastic post by Bram Cools has appeared, which includes some crucial context.  Do check it out:

Pope Francis as a universalist?

Pope Francis, the new leader of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide, has already proven to be a controversial person from time to time in his career of only a few months. And luckily it has been in a surprisingly Christlike way, not in the way most modern liberal people expect popes to conservative and oldfashionedly irrelevant: The pope who denied the papal palace, shuns wealth, calls the church to focus on the poor,  washed the foot of women and Muslims instead of Catholic priests and criticised capitalism now stated that atheists are redeemed too and can do good works.

2 articles have been going round on facebook since yesterday, first one from the Vatican Radio and then one from the American Huffington post, which tried to interpret the words of the pope from an American perspective, but to me they seemed to miss the point and tried to make him answer questions he wasn’t addressing…
But let’s have a look at what our papal friend is saying:
“The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”:
“The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can. He must. Not can: must! Because he has this commandment within him. Instead, this ‘closing off’ that imagines that those outside, everyone, cannot do good is a wall that leads to war and also to what some people throughout history have conceived of: killing in the name of God. That we can kill in the name of God. And that, simply, is blasphemy. To say that you can kill in the name of God is blasphemy.”

“Instead,” the Pope continued, “the Lord has created us in His image and likeness, and has given us this commandment in the depths of our heart: do good and do not do evil”:
“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”
(bold parts from the Vatican radio website)
Some people, like Paul from disoriented, reoriented, actually do think Francis’ words point to Christian universalism (the idea that through the saving work of Christ all will be saved in the end), and point to CONTINUED HERE

 

 

 

 

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Date: Friday, 24 May 2013 15:20


"Lament keeps us alive with hope
           when the temptation is to surrender to a defeated numbness."
-Brian J. Walsh, in a discussion of Bruce Cockburn's "Humans" ("If Bono is right, and Cockburn is a psalmist, then Humans is a collection of psalms of lament" ) in terms of Bruggemann and the psalms.  Pp. 116-17, Kicking at the Darkness: Bruce Cockburn and the Christian Imaginination

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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:49
See:

"Is Mark Driscoll this generation’s Pat Robertson?" by Jonathan Merritt 







 Related clip: We are not in Joel Osteen anymore. Driscoll's "God Hates You" clip (4:30ff):
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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:40
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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:34
see  this by Scot McKnight
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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:18
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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:09
This is not at all a political or partisan post or rant.
(You can look through years of blog posts and sermons and you won't find any
Even Jesus doesn't know who I voted for (:       )
It's an observation re: public speaking.

It's no secret that Obama's speeches  for years have been punctuated by predictable  "uhhh"s.

(see Uh, you know, uhuh, should Obamauh, seek the help of a speech therapist?)
Watching some clips of today's speech, I  immediately noticed:
1)NONE
2)that he seemed to completely close hos mouth after each thought.

Are the two related?
Has be finally been  successfully coached and disciplined out of that habit?
(Or does he primarily stutter in unscripted moments?)

Ans pastor/public speaker can relate.

Also can't help that note when he (or his advisors) want him to look patriotic, put him in front of EIGHT American flags>


He had obviously also learned to deal with hecklers :
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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 16:46
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Date: Thursday, 23 May 2013 15:05
Play some random tracks from "Electric Arguments," the third album by "The Fireman"...(or the first two albums,   "Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest"[ audio here ]and  "Rush"[audio here] for that matter, as they're instrumental, and kind of ambient-techno )...and have people guess 
who
        it
             is.

For a really good time, play tracks 10-13 (videos below) from   "Electric Arguments,"  right now for someone, and ask them who they think the artist is.

Was Paul McCartney even on their list?

If your first thought of Paul McCartney is
 "silly love songs" 
 sappy pop;

                         and you saw Lennon or Harrisson as the experimental  Beatle..

Try on The Fireman albums...Paul (with some help from  Youth (Martin Glover, one of whose bands is Celtic Cross, and who has worked/associated with Godhaunted types like U2, Maria McKee and Zoe) is the Fireman, and reviews routinely drop comparisons to

Pink Floyd, 
           Tubular Bells,
                           King Crimson and...

Yes, you read right!

A bit of Eno..a touch of emo.

 techno,
         trance,
                                  house,                     Celtic and........

"Sing the Changes" is not the most representative song of the third album, but it's the most likely to be sung in church! (Hey.."I'm not religous, but I'm very spiritual"  Paul has already prayed for U2..and prays with his band every night ..why can't we play/pray him in church?)

Here it is below.. it is followed by some interviews, and then the whole album.
On a few songs a listener might say "That sounds a little like McCartney..but it can't be."

From Wikipedia:



The duo borrowed the title "Electric Arguments" from the poem "Kansas City to St. Louis" by Allen Ginsberg. In Wired magazine, McCartney stated this was because "he's been looking at the beauty of word combinations rather than their meaning."[3]
We had a ball making this album, and it was a great departure because it seemed more like improv theatre. In the improv spirit, there are William Burroughs-type cut-ups in the lyrics. I came to "Sing the Changes," as well as all the other songs in the album, with absolutely no concept of what the melody or lyrics would be about. So it was like writing on the spot, which I think lent an electricity to the whole sound.
—Paul McCartney [4]


Almost sounds Bongolesean.
When I had had my wife guess who this song was, she ventured "U2?"

"Sing the Changes"

like the sun playing in the morning 

feel the choir, feel the thunder 
every ladder leads to heaven 
call it ransom, draw the picture 

sing the changes as you're sleeping 
feel the quiet   thunder 
see the changes o'er and o'er
feel the choir hear the thunder 

like  the sunflake  in the morning 
see the quiet feel the thunder 
every ladder leads to heaven 
colored pencils draw the picture 

sing your praises as you're sleeping 
sing the changes any wonder
i feel the sense of childlike wonder 
sing your praises as you're sleeping 

sing the changes as you're sleeping 
feel the quiet hear the thunder 
sing  the changes o'er and o'er 
feel the choir in the thunder 
sing your praises as you're sleeping 
feel the quiet  hear the thunder 
sing the changes go on  on  
and everybody have a sense of  shine like wonder 

sing His praises as you're sleeping 
feel the fire  hear the thunder 
sing the changes o'er and o'er    
and everybody's  got a sense of 
childlike wonder 

I want some more  __ fire 
you can't stop me, time!

Official "Sing the Changes" video:
 "Sing the Changes" live ("Good Evening New York"):
br />

"Sing the Changes" on Letterman...on the rooftop (another U2...and Beatles) reference):


 Interview:

Written interview here

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 1) Nothing Too Much Just Out Of Sight:


2)Two Magpies:

3)Sing the Changes


4)Travelling Light":

5) Highway:

6) light from your lighthouse:
7)Sun is shining:

8) Dance 'Till We're High:

9)Lifelong Passion:

10)is this love?

11) Lovers In A Dream:

12)Universal Here, Everlasting Now

13)"Don't Stop Running"..even ends with backmasking...guess Paul isn't dead...interesting message: "warmer than the sun and cooler than the air,"  I wonder Who that is.

H

Hidden track.e
  
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Date: Monday, 20 May 2013 14:57
The Alphabet vs The Goddess:The Alphabet vs The Goddess: The Alphabet vs The Goddess Q and A: Thinking Allowed:
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Date: Saturday, 18 May 2013 16:01
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Date: Friday, 17 May 2013 22:54
songs as prayers 31:45ff; religion 43ff
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Date: Friday, 17 May 2013 18:01
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Date: Thursday, 16 May 2013 10:13
See Hugh's response to the video,  Some backstory here  and here
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Date: Thursday, 16 May 2013 09:28
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Date: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:33
by Sinéad O'Connor
Based on Psalm 130 

Out of the depths I cry to You oh Lord
Don't let my cries for mercy be ignored
If  keep account of sins oh who would stand?
But You  have forgiveness in your hands

And I've heard religion say you're to be feared
But I don't buy into everything I hear
And it seems to me you're hostage to those rules
That were made by religion and not by You 

And I'm wondering will u ever get yourself free
Is it bad to think You  might like help from me?
Is there anything my little heart can do
To help religion share us with You ?

For oh you're like a ghost in your own home
Nobody hears You  crying all alone
Oh You are the one true really voiceless one
They have their backs turned to you for worship of
Gold and stone

And to see You  prisoner oh makes me weep
Nobody hears You  screaming in the streets
And it's sad but true how the old saying goes
If God lived on earth people would break his windows

I long for You  as watchmen long for the end of night
I long for You  as watchmen long for the end of night
I long for You  as watchmen long for the end of night

acoustic:
electric:
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Date: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 23:40
Lo siento, no puedo encontrar esta entrevista en ingles,,,oops, I mean:
............................Sorry, i can't find this interview in English.
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Date: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 22:00


Thinking "outside the box" when doing history or theology:


Can preconceived ideas/assumptions affect historical information about Jesus?:

Do the Gospels actually record what Jesus said and did?

Did Jesus perform miracles?:

Do we have accurate information about Jesus?

Why are the virgin birth, empty tomb and resurrection controversial?:

Is there a lack of reliable evidence concerning Jesus' life?

Are the four Gospels contradictory?

Did Jesus think He was the Messiah?

Who or what did Jesus think He was?

When did Jesus come to an understanding of the significance of His death?:

Who was Jesus?:

Who were the Essenes and Were Jesus and John the Baptist Essenes?:

What is the significance of Jesus cleansing the Temple

The secret trials of Jesus:

Should the Jews be blamed for killing Jesus?: r /> Was Jesus' death necessary?:

Did Jesus understand the meaning of His death?

What does, "The Son of Man did not come to be served....ransom for many" mean?
Importance of seeing all angles of Jesus instead of focusing on only one:

How do faith and history come together?:

How can you explain the Christian church after Jesus' life?:

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Date: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 14:29
Watch the whole series here, or here... or below:
 Related:
Genesis:
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